RE: [N8VEM-S100:6898] Re: Reorder of S-100 8-slot Backplane PCB

I just checked the vertical clearance of the components that would be under the “wings” of the boards on my V2 backplance. I measured the clearance from the backplane to the bottom of a board “wing” at 0.6 inches. Then, as Paul questions, I measured the power connector that I have used, and it is 0.5 inches. So, using the terminal blocks as I have, there is no problem. However, I could imagine that with some connectors, there may be an issue.

For anyone interested, I used two Jameco #152354. They are 3-position blocks, but they “stack” together to form a 6-position block. However, upon searching for this number on their web site just now, it says it’s discontinued. Further research shows that the Jameco #2094493 appears to be an exact duplicate, even down to the 12.6mm or 0.496 inch height. As you can see on the Jameco web site, this block has the wires coming in from the side, and the screws tighten from the top.

Hope this helps.

Bob Bell

From: n8vem...@googlegroups.com [mailto:n8vem...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Birkel
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2015 2:42 AM
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Subject: Re: [N8VEM-S100:6898] Re: Reorder of S-100 8-slot Backplane PCB

Thanks Josh. Sometimes my "minds eye" is not quite good enough to visualize stuff from verbal descriptions :-<. My principal question is whether there will be any vertical clearance issues between board components and the inserted board "wings" that will overhang them. The reset button is free-n-clear. The power connectors would be the questionable cases I suspect -- they will have to be low-profile and right-angle.

In a dual configuration, then slot 1 of the second backplane would be unused and there would be a two-board gap, correct?

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Crusty OMO <crus...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Here's some pdf's for some reason, the pdf won't display the oval pads... so I did a screen shot to show they are indeed pads there.

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 06:16:04 -0400
Subject: Re: [N8VEM-S100:6880] Re: Reorder of S-100 8-slot Backplane PCB
From: pbi...@gmail.com
To: n8vem...@googlegroups.com

Could someone post a simple PDF of the board layout?

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 6:30 PM, Crusty OMO <crus...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Guys, I want to warn you... I did that PCB in manual mode. Which is to say, I didn't bother to spend time creating the extra connectors in the schematic and go through the full process. Because it's a simple board, I just jumped straight to the PCB Editor and worked on the traces by hand. I redid the bus traces, of course, I did one set (even and odd pins) between 2 connectors first, and simply cut and pasted it across all the slots, then down across all the pins. If you do see any changes you would like done, then they might have to be done manually... or let me know, I can certainly take care of them. PS. Note, I've deleted the Fuses... they can be squeezed onto the board if we really need them. I think the power supply should be fused.

Regards,
Josh Bensadon

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 08:14:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [N8VEM-S100:6864] Re: Reorder of S-100 8-slot Backplane PCB

From: tacom...@gmail.com
To: n8vem...@googlegroups.com

Thanks Josh!

If others (Don, Bob, and anyone else) who had changes they wanted to make can take a look I'd appreciate it.

Thanks!

Todd

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Crusty OMO <crus...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Todd,

Ok, I took a good look over the board, found 1 minor mistake. I added some text to the silk screen layer to make it friendly.

I'm pretty much done, I can't see anything more to add or fix. I counted the S-100 pins a few times, came up with 98 on one count, but that's ok, we can just file off 1 of the pins and call it S-98.

Anyway, the new V4 files are on line at:
http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&param=S-100%20backplane
Look for file S100 backplane V4.zip

If anyone wants to review them, please do. Otherwise... I think I'm done.

Cheers,
Josh Bensadon

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:38:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [N8VEM-S100:6831] Re: Reorder of S-100 8-slot Backplane PCB

From: tacom...@gmail.com
To: n8vem...@googlegroups.com

Hi Josh,

Looks great to me! (I didn't look at the beta version yet though.)

I won't order until you give the "all clear" and I'm not in a hurry.

Thanks!

Todd

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Crusty OMO <crus...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Hi Todd,

Ok, I've finished rewiring the S-100 9-slot backplane. Please do not build it yet... I want to look it over a few times, since it's all hand routed, there might be problems. I also want to pretty up the Silk Screen.

I've uploaded this beta version for anyone to help look for problems. It's at:
http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&param=S-100%20backplane

The file is called "S-100 Backplane v4-beta.zip"

Features of the board:
-Includes a custom spaced slot #1 for Front Panel on the IMSAI computer (spacing = 1.04" instead of .75")
-Holes for mounting in either ALTAIR or IMSAI chassis
-There is a "no component" or Trace zone where the board would rest on the rails of an ALTAIR computer.
-Bus traces are all on the bottom, top layer is primarily a fill zone to help shield bus noise.
-2 connectors for power are available, the original 0.2" spaced and a new 0.156" spaced for molex connectors.
-9 Slots in total.
-Board can be extended to another back plane by use of 3 x 34 pin ribbon cables
-The last board can be terminated.
-Reset switch moved to the front
-Grounding jumpers for 3 bus lines (as per previous versions)

Note, Termination uses the same holes that the ribbon cable would, so it's either, extend the bus, or terminate the bus, but not both.

Losses on the board....
-No fuses, I just couldn't squeeze them in... I hope this is ok....

Regards,
Josh Bensadon

From: crus...@hotmail.com
To: n8vem...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [N8VEM-S100:6827] Re: Reorder of S-100 8-slot Backplane PCB
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 15:22:38 -0400

Hi Todd,

I'm well underway on rewiring the back plane. Since it's not a complicated circuit, I am foregoing the schematic and just doing the traces in manual mode. The first slot is spaced 1" from the 2nd slot. Since I want to be able to cascade them, and since the IMSAI board is wider, I moved the Termination to the side and was able to add a 9th slot. The back 8 slots are all 3/4" spaced. When you cascade the boards, the last slot will be 2.25" from the 2nd slot on the next board, ie, skip 2 standard slots and resume 3/4" spacing.

The mounting holes for IMSAI are there, and even when cascaded, they *should* all line up... I hope.

The mounting holes for ALTAIR are just the holes for the S100 connectors, but I was careful to not place components or traces along the width of the two rails. The first slot spaced 1" can be mounted into the existing holes, but new holes will need to be drilled and tapped for the last slot. I haven't removed my ALTAIR Back Plane to look (don't want to upset all the wires, I heard on another post that these wires break easily). But it appears they only drilled and tapped 4 holes on the rails anyway.

I hope to get this board done by tonight... but I recommend you give me another week to look it over for errors.

Cheers,
Josh

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 16:03:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [N8VEM-S100:6825] Re: Reorder of S-100 8-slot Backplane PCB
From: tacom...@gmail.com
To: n8vem...@googlegroups.com

Hi Josh,

Personally I'd prefer your #2, 8.5" with IMSAI and Altair holes.

It looks like fabricating the ALTAIR card guide mounts wouldn't be too bad?

I'm probably not understanding something but couldn't we fix issue with cascading the boards when the first slot is shifted buy ensuring there's enough bare (or with only lower profile parts than the connectors) after the last connector before the edge of the board? Or does that screw up card guides or something on some standard chassis?

Todd

On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 1:37 PM, Crusty OMO <crus...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Guys,

Here's our first hurdle.... the ALTAIR back plane is 11" wide. It is like this because the card slot guides are screwed in from the bottom of the board. The IMSAI back plane is only 8.5" wide.
The 8 slot board v2 is 7.25" wide.

It's not a problem to expand to 8.5", but 11" makes it interfere with the IMSAI chassis by about .25"

Option 1. Make it 11", ready for the ALTAIR... IMSAI use will require cutting the board.
Option 2. Make it 8.5", with IMSAI and ALTAIR holes, ALTAIR use will just have to sacrifice the card slot guides.
Option 3. Make it 10.75" with a 8.5" irregular width for the first slot, this will allow it to fit both systems, but only allows a single screw to hold the 5/8" wide card slot guide (otherwise needs 2 screws).

In Option 2, ALTAIR users can always create their own cross beams using 1/2" aluminum angle to support the card slot guides. Here's a picture of the first slot as pictured from the back.
Look closely, you see 2 holes for card slot guides. Now look at the rail that supports this board, it starts near the S-100 connector, this board is supported by the holes of the S-100 connector to two of these rails. New rails can easily be added, see the multiple holes available on the end of the chassis?

The NEXT hurdle involves the fact that the first slot on the IMSAI is spaced just over 1" to slot 2. This is because the first slot is meant to reach the front panel. All the other slots are the regular 0.75" spacing... This shouldn't be too much trouble, but it becomes trouble when wanting to cascade these boards to make larger back planes. There will need to be a sacrifice of one or two slots to maintain correct spacing.

Thoughts?

Regards,
Josh

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