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RE: [N8VEM-S100:1465] S-100 board reorders



Hi Bill,

I've made a few boards, none as big as these S-100 boards but the designing concepts are the same but with less head aches.

There is a whole industry of experts that build circuit boards and lots of jargon in that field.

You should know most of the words already.  Traces, Pads, Via's, solder mask, silk screen layer, component outlines or foot prints, thermal relief pads.  But when I was building some of my first commercial boards, I learned some new terms:
-Gerber files (these are the standard format for circuit boards, they are a vectored graphics type file like autocad)
-Drill file (a text file that dictates the location and size of holes to be drilled)
-12/12 rule.  that is, 0.012" trace thickness with 0.012" spacing between traces.  I think high density boards go as low as 8/8.
-Net list.  The list of all pins that must be electrically connected to each other.  eg, the net list for the electrical ground on a board might go something like this, Mountinghole1+Mountinghole2+C1(pin2)+IC1(pin7)+IC2(pin7)+IC3(pin7)+R1(pin2)+R2(pin2)....etc

The Net List is created by your schematic program and is useful to ensure you haven't missed any traces on your PCB layout program.

The first thing you must do is define your PCB size and shape, then place your components on the board.  Arrange them in a practical manner, ie the RS-232 chip next to the DB connector, etc.  The spacing and how to arrange them can't be defined by rules, but only by experience.  I usually move at least 1/2 of the components before I'm finished.  I'm certain others here are better at it than me but I'll be surprised if they don't move any parts after the initial "guessing".

I've done some boards through http://www.expresspcb.com/  they have free software that works very nicely.

Personally, I don't use any auto trace routing, so I manually optimize my traces by hand. 

I hope this helps answer some of your questions, even though I'm not an expert.

Regards,
Josh








From: billy...@comcast.net
To: n8vem...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [N8VEM-S100:1465] S-100 board reorders
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 14:20:39 -0500

I have a slightly off topic question for you.
I have never made a PC board or trace routed or optimized a board.
Could you explain the process?
How do you start with chip placement? What software do you use? Is this a professional version or is it something a hobbyist could get freely. What kind of computer is the board designed on, is it vintage?
How long does optimization take to complete? It seems like it takes weeks or months to complete. Is this run on a modern computer? Is optimization different that trace routing or is it just the final step of the process?
 
I know that's a lot of questions but you did ask "Questions?".
Thanks for all your work.
 
Bill
 
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Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 12:17 PM
Subject: [N8VEM-S100:1455] S-100 board reorders

Hi

Well I was hoping to get the S-100 68K and S-100 80286 CPU board PCBs ordered next but they are not cooperating.  The S-100 68K CPU board is nearly complete and should be done soon.  It has taken much longer than I expected though.  I would like it to complete trace route optimization before ordering PCBs.


In the meantime, I am thinking we could make another round of S-100 board reorders.  What I am thinking is the S-100 IDE V2 PCBs are always popular and so are the S-100 buffered prototyping board PCBs.  I would like to do another round of those and hopefully while they are settling the S-100 68K CPU and the S-100 80286 CPU boards will complete or at least get “close enough”

 

Another idea is the S-100 bus terminator board.  Basically there are 10 builders willing to get these boards “as is” which is the full sized PCB with some prototyping area.  Nothing fancy but useful for terminating a legacy S-100 backplane.  However these have *NOT* been prototyped so there is some additional risk.  I think it is minor though since the S-100 backplane has this exact circuit and it works fine.

 

Ideas?  Thoughts?  Comments?  Questions?  All welcome!  Please lets discuss what the next steps should be.  Thanks and have a nice day!

Andrew Lynch


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