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Re: [N8VEM-S100:4063] Re: CF IDE card checkout and final assembly problem

FYI - I am using the 68K running at 6MHz so it is not specific to Z80 - Sorry for the mistake above - I had not traced the truth table all the way thru - so U7 is not active - I forgot the DO0 comes directly from the buss - with the logic analyzer experiment above we should be able to see what is going on.  The solution may be another issue - I should have some traces tonight when I get home from work.


On Monday, June 9, 2014 12:25:18 PM UTC-5, monahanz wrote:

This is a real old board, in fact I think it was the first board I laid out (back in 2009), no excuse I know, but I would do it slightly differently now.  


For sure mine works fine. I can pip A: to F: with verify with CPM3 no problem with the 10MH Z80 board.  Works with the prototype 80386 fine as well (which is way less forgiving in terms of timing). Never a problem with the 8088, 8086 or 80286 boards. In fact that IDE board is one I can really count on.  So I’m at a loss to understand the problem.  I using two boards labeled Version 02. Hopefully it’s not something about V02a


The reason DO0 has its own input and not taken from U7 (the boards bidirectional data bus) Dave  is that I wanted to make sure  the data line would never be “glitched” . The 8255 is always connected to that bidirectional data bus.  When you change modes with the 8255 strange (transient) things happen with the data lines.  This was mentioned in one of the earlier articles mentioned that I based the design on.


If there is a race condition, Thomas can you drop the Z80 down to say 2MHz and see if the problem persists.  If a problem we can try delaying U15A’s pin 1 to the FF with a resistor/cap, or using a 74L02.


The above said we need to get to the bottom of this because it’s a must that this board is reliable to go forward building these S100 systems.





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Subject: [N8VEM-S100:4063] Re: CF IDE card checkout and final assembly problem



It is the newest batch I believe, '02a'.


On Sunday, June 8, 2014 7:58:45 PM UTC-4, Thomas Owen wrote:

I had posted this to the thread dealing with ordering this card, but decided to post a new topic dealing with the problem I have had with final checkout of the board.

During assembly the board passed all the 'in progress' checks.  The final steps were to output to different ports:

I have output the following and everything passes:

QO33,80 ; Configures ports A, B and C as output ports
QO32,2B ; Selects right hand pair of digits
QO30,01; display 01on right digit pair and work through each bit - all ok

QO32,2c; Selects middle pair of digits
QO30,01; Should display 01 on middle digit pair, work through each bit - all ok

QO32,2d; Selects left hand pair of digits
QO31,01; Should display 01 on left digit pair, work through each bit - all ok

All displays are correct.

Now the final step is the Drive Select and that is where I am having trouble:

Board always comes up with 'Drive A' selected

Now,  QO34,0; no change

Reset, start again:

QO34,1; no change

I can never select drive B.  

Several generous members (thank you David Fry) have made suggestions, and here is where I now stand:

My preliminary check this afternoon shows me that there is a timing issue at U15, the 74ls02.  Using my logic analyzer and monitoring the inputs and the output (which clocks the drive select flip flop) I see a big timing difference between SEL_SECOND and WR.

What this means is that the output of the gate never goes high allowing the bit change to effect drive change/selection.

I am going to get some screen shots from the analyzer tomorrow, and if anyone has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it.


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