RE: [N8VEM-S100:2006] Re: S-100 80286 CPU board write-up

I am actually now build my second board (I have two main S-100 systems. One is a 10 slot “test rig” the other is my main 21 slot system). I will see if the second one behaves the same. You will note on the last prototype, I had some serious real wire connections on some of the data lines. These look real ugly but actually provide a better signal at high speeds. Just an idea. It’s not the CPU chip. I switched that.

Will update if I get anything. Remember the 80286 is much faster internally to the 8086. So even though we are running that board at 24 MHz (bus actually 12MHz) the 80286 loads MS-DOS runs faster. Just do a DIR command with both CPU’s and see.

Let me know what you get.

Good luck

John

John Monahan Ph.D

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From: n8vem...@googlegroups.com [mailto:n8vem...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Fry
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Subject: [N8VEM-S100:2006] Re: S-100 80286 CPU board write-up

Hi John

Excellent news :-)

I was kinda holding off on starting my 80286 board in case the mods/fix ended up being extensive (I have the S-100 Ram/Rom board on order also)

Just wondering if will you be investigating why the final board will only manage 11Mhz when the prototype manages 12Mhz ?

It's not a big issue but would be nice to get to 12Mhz if possible.

regards and thanks

David Fry

On Saturday, October 26, 2013 7:06:09 PM UTC+1, monahanz wrote:

Good news, It now looks like our new 80286 Master/Slave S100 bus CPU board works fine with not only our 4MG Static RAM board bit also the 1M RAM/ROM board.
The problem I outlined below was due to the fact that I had jumpers wrong on both the CPU and ROM/RAM boards. The 80286 works fine with both boards at 11MHz (with no wait states).

One of the reasons for “upgrading” the ROM/RAM board was to simplify the “rats nest” of jumpers on the earlier boards for the diverse range of RAM & RAM chips (including flash RAM) that board can use. The new RAM/ROM boards should be here soon. If you have the older board, consider switching over (it uses all the same chips/parts) . For new users it is a very useful memory board.

One remaining bug I see with the 80286 board is that some older S100 Static RAM boards (particularly those that use PALs, such as the Godbout 128K static "RAM21" board or the BG Computers 256K Static RAM board), need a patch. You need to bend out pin 2 of U56 and jumper it to pin 9 of U68 - the bus controller. This seems to provide the early MWRITE status signal these boards require. Interestingly this is also the case for our 8088 CPU board (jumper K5,2-3), but not the 8086 board.
I have written up a detailed account for the 80286 boards construction here:-

http://www.s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/80286%20Board/80286%20CPU%20Board.htm

And a description of the RAM/ROM board here.

http://www.s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/RAM&ROM%20Board/RAM&PROM%20Board.htm

Enjoy
John

From: John Monahan [mailto:mon...@vitasoft.org]
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Subject: S-100 80286 CPU board write-up

Hi everybody. I have just written up construction notes on this 80286 CPU board.
Please see here:- for details:-
http://www.s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/80286%20Board/80286%20CPU%20Board.htm

Unfortunately there are some strange issues with the board running with RAM boards other than our 4MG Static RAM board
(described here:-)
http://www.s100computers.com/My%20System%20Pages/RAM%20Board/4MG%20RAM%20Board.htm

With that RAM board, the 80286 is rock solid at 11MHz (no I/O or ROM wait states required).

Please see the bottom of the page for details.

I am traveling all of next week but will explore further when I get back.
Sorry about the bad news
John

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