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RE: [N8VEM-S100:4014] Re: ALTAIR/IMSAI 8080 CPU replacement board & FP-Mini Front panel



I'd be interested in getting enough for 2 boards.
 
Matt Turner
 
> Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 11:08:48 -0400
> From: t...@bonedaddy.net
> To: n8vem...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [N8VEM-S100:4014] Re: ALTAIR/IMSAI 8080 CPU replacement board & FP-Mini Front panel
>
> We could get the following prices if ordering higher multiples from
> mouser:
>
> M2012TNW03-EC $3.10/100 $2.99/200 $2.77/500
> M2012TNW03-EG $3.10/100 $2.99/200 $2.77/500
> M2018TNW03-EC $3.90/100 $3.76/200 $3.49/500
> M2018TNW03-EG $3.90/100 $3.76/200 $3.49/500
>
> NKK also has paddle toggles available in different colors as well.
>
> I'd be willing to purchase in quantity if we get enough interest.
>
> Todd
>
>
> * Don Caprio <c...@uxpro.com> [140607 03:49]:
> > Oh, Even better. Price is for Qty two and they come with mounting hardware.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 12:45 AM, Don Caprio <c...@uxpro.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes Andrew those like like could work. We would also need the momentary on
> > > as well.
> > >
> > > Last time I priced them:
> > >
> > > A Complete set:
> > > 8 M2012TNW03-EC, On-NONE-ON RED $4.80 $38.40 $33.04
> > > 8 M2012TNW03-EG, ON-NONE-ON BLUE $4.80 $38.40 $33.04
> > > 2 M2018TNW03-EC, (ON)-OFF-(ON) RED $6.05 $12.10
> > > 3 M2018TNW03-EG, (ON)-OFF-(ON) BLUE $6.05 $18.15
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 11:41 PM, Andrew Bingham <ab...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Don - would these work? If we didn't care so much about the color?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> http://www.electronicsurplus.com/Item/2111/JBT%20-%20Switch_%20rocker_%20SPDT-5A_%20Package%20of%202_%20-%203-532/
> > >>
> > >> Andrew B
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Friday, June 6, 2014 9:53:14 PM UTC-7, Don Caprio wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Josh, Rich, and S-100 gang,
> > >>>
> > >>> The Imsai front panel S-100 (aka fp-mini) was stalled for quite some
> > >>> time. Family, work and
> > >>> remodel project left no spare time.
> > >>>
> > >>> Looks like we have new life on the project. Many, many thanks to Josh
> > >>> who got one of prototype
> > >>> boards and worked out the final bugs. Looks like The next prototype
> > >>> should be our last before
> > >>> production run.
> > >>>
> > >>> This board is a bit pricey due to the cost of the mini paddle switches.
> > >>> A completed set of paddle
> > >>> switches goes for ~ $125.00. My source for the toggles left the company
> > >>> so I'm finding a new
> > >>> contact and pricing.
> > >>>
> > >>> The FP-Mini and Josh's new 8080 board is going to make a fantastic, two
> > >>> board complete system.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm working with a local sheet metal fabricator on a mini-chassis based
> > >>> around the fp-mini and the
> > >>> S-100 8 slot mother board. I needed a chassis design for the next board
> > >>> layout. We'll need to move
> > >>> switches around and provide mounting holes on the PCB. Anyone who has
> > >>> ideas or experience
> > >>> creating a photo mask for the Plexiglas section drop me a line. It may
> > >>> be as simple as printing a
> > >>> transparency on a laser printer.
> > >>>
> > >>> Once I get a final price on the chassis I'll send out a notice to see
> > >>> who's
> > >>> interested. The more we order the cheaper they are. I've mocked up a
> > >>> prototype of the chassis
> > >>> for your review and comments.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On 06/ 6/14 07:55 AM, Crusty OMO wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks John,
> > >>>
> > >>> Andrew,
> > >>>
> > >>> That would be great if you could do a fill on the area around the
> > >>> regulator, or perhaps walk me through it? The other error about pads being
> > >>> next to each other doesn't matter, I just over rule the computer's
> > >>> objection.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Josh
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ------------------------------
> > >>> From: mon...@vitasoft.org
> > >>> To: n8ve...@googlegroups.com
> > >>>
> > >>> Subject: RE: [N8VEM-S100:3991] ALTAIR/IMSAI 8080 CPU replacement board
> > >>> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 21:26:15 -0700
> > >>>
> > >>> Josh, Andrew may be able to brush it up. He is a marvel at that these
> > >>> things
> > >>>
> > >>> John
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> *From:* n8ve...@googlegroups.com [mailto:n....@googlegroups.com] *On
> > >>> Behalf Of *Crusty OMO
> > >>>
> > >>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 5, 2014 8:29 PM
> > >>> *To:* n8ve...@googlegroups.com
> > >>>
> > >>> *Subject:* RE: [N8VEM-S100:3990] ALTAIR/IMSAI 8080 CPU replacement board
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi John,
> > >>>
> > >>> I uploaded the board, schematic(s), gerber files and firmware file to
> > >>> the Wiki site.
> > >>> Look in
> > >>> Board Information, S-100 boards, S-100 ALTAIR-IMSAI 8080 CPU Board
> > >>>
> > >>> The DRC produces 2 errors which I don't know how to suppress.
> > >>> 1 error is a drill pad next to a mounting pad for the SD card, I
> > >>> oversized the pads and they overlap. Neither pad is an active pin or
> > >>> conductor, the drill is just a pilot hole to position the SD card socket,
> > >>> the pad is just to solder the body of the socket.
> > >>> The other error(s) are from a bunch of traces I dumped around the
> > >>> voltage regulator to act as some extra heat sink. I should really do a
> > >>> "fill" in that area, but I don't know how and it's just easier for me to
> > >>> zig zag some wide traces to do the job. I ignore the errors, the gerber
> > >>> files look good.
> > >>>
> > >>> The firmware file is just a modification of my 8080 monitor program.
> > >>> It's been modified to use the 8250 UART's, and it also has the start of the
> > >>> SPI/SD card interface. I only got as far as receiving the 0x01 status byte
> > >>> from the SD card, which means it initialized successfully and I am able to
> > >>> talk to it. In the weeks to come, I'll return to working on the firmware
> > >>> to get it to boot CP/M from the SD card. But first, I must make some
> > >>> progress with my ELF projects.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Josh Bensadon
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> From: mon...@vitasoft.org
> > >>> To: n8ve...@googlegroups.com
> > >>>
> > >>> Subject: RE: [N8VEM-S100:3982] ALTAIR/IMSAI 8080 CPU replacement board
> > >>> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 09:20:20 -0700
> > >>>
> > >>> Josh, great work – you must have a lot of time on your hands!
> > >>>
> > >>> Could you put me down for 2 boards.
> > >>>
> > >>> Also could you point me to the most current schematic/board diagram
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks
> > >>>
> > >>> John
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> *From:* n8ve...@googlegroups.com [mailto:n....@googlegroups.com] *On
> > >>> Behalf Of *Crusty OMO
> > >>>
> > >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:20 PM
> > >>> *To:* n8ve...@googlegroups.com
> > >>>
> > >>> *Subject:* RE: [N8VEM-S100:3964] ALTAIR/IMSAI 8080 CPU replacement board
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Guys,
> > >>>
> > >>> Well I'm finally done laying out this board. The autorouter only
> > >>> produced swiss cheese with over 900 via's. It looked terrible!
> > >>> Anyway, I scrapped everything the autorouter did initially, and
> > >>> proceeded to layout the traces manually. Once I got what I thought was all
> > >>> the hard parts done, I let the autorouter have another go at it. Again it
> > >>> did not work out so well and it was unable to complete the board, so I
> > >>> proceeded to undo it's changes and/or improve it's routing manually. I
> > >>> squeezed those traces in there tight, any tighter and they'll be popping
> > >>> off the board. Anyway, I'm working on the silkscreen layer and ready to do
> > >>> a run.
> > >>> Here's a picture of the board layout....
> > >>> You can see the serial port connections on the top left, SD card to the
> > >>> right of the 27C256 EPROM, parallel ports next to that and the ALTAIR and
> > >>> IMSAI front panel connectors. There are also a few jumpers around the
> > >>> board to configure for CPU or Peripheral board only and ALTAIR/IMSAI mode.
> > >>> Firmware for the board will be my next project, but I have to make
> > >>> preparations for VCF-MW my priority. Dave Ruske and I will be doing a
> > >>> COSMAC 1802 exhibit there in September.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Josh Bensadon
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> From: cru...@hotmail.com
> > >>> To: n8ve...@googlegroups.com
> > >>>
> > >>> Subject: RE: [N8VEM-S100:3711] ALTAIR/IMSAI 8080 CPU replacement board
> > >>> Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 00:57:20 +0000
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Guys,
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, this project has just reached a milestone. The hardware is tested
> > >>> and working. I had some rewiring to do to make it work for the ALTAIR, I
> > >>> thought the ALTAIR and IMSAI front panels were (near) identical, but they
> > >>> are not.
> > >>> There are some jumpers on the board to configure between ALTAIR and
> > >>> IMSAI.
> > >>>
> > >>> Here's a picture of my debugging and testing setup. The board is being
> > >>> tested in the ALTAIR.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Now entering Phase 2... building a PCB.
> > >>>
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Josh Bensadon
> > >>> ------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>> From: mon...@vitasoft.org
> > >>> To: n8ve...@googlegroups.com
> > >>>
> > >>> Subject: RE: [N8VEM-S100:3666] ALTAIR/IMSAI 8080 CPU replacement board
> > >>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2014 13:56:05 -0700
> > >>>
> > >>> Very nice Josh!
> > >>>
> > >>> John
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> *From:* n8ve...@googlegroups.com [mailto:n....@googlegroups.com] *On
> > >>> Behalf Of *Crusty OMO
> > >>>
> > >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:19 PM
> > >>> *To:* n8ve...@googlegroups.com
> > >>>
> > >>> *Subject:* RE: [N8VEM-S100:3664] ALTAIR/IMSAI 8080 CPU replacement board
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi Group,
> > >>>
> > >>> Well, I'm cooking up this board at the moment. I have all the hardware
> > >>> figured out to run like the original CPU boards.
> > >>> I need to do a little more testing of the hardware, then I'll proceed to
> > >>> building the boards.
> > >>> The Memory, I/O, UARTs and SPI interface to the SD card appear to all be
> > >>> working.
> > >>> 8K chunks of memory can become either ROM, RAM or mapped off the board.
> > >>>
> > >>> CPU: 8080A
> > >>> UARTS: 2x 8250
> > >>> RAM: 2x 32K
> > >>> ROM: 32K
> > >>> I/O: 8 input, 6 output pins
> > >>> SPI to SD Card interface
> > >>> ALTAIR & IMSAI Front Panel Connectors.
> > >>>
> > >>> Where ROM is selected in a block it overlaps the RAM on reads, but
> > >>> writes go through to RAM.
> > >>> The ROM can then be disabled and reads will come from the RAM at that
> > >>> location.
> > >>> The firmware is copying itself to RAM then switching off the ROM.
> > >>> The CPU can be deselected with jumpers and the board will work as
> > >>> RAM/ROM and I/O for another CPU on the bus.
> > >>>
> > >>> Pictures attached. Yellow-Data, Brown-Address, Blue-I/O,
> > >>> Green-Control/Status & everything else.
> > >>>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>> Josh Bensadon
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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