Re: [N8VEM-S100:2064] Using Z80 board with older S100 boards

Rich there are too many moving parts to really be of much help with the limited information you have there. All I can say is to be of any help it’s best to sequentially add boards to the system. Test them extensively, check and list ports one at a time by outputting/inputting data. Checking you get the same results with different board combinations. The CompuPro Disk 1 uses DMA to bring in data (as opposed to block I/O) so bus configuration/timing is very critical/difficult. Can you even read/write to the FDC chip ports on the board? Can you get a head restore command to work. If not, something drastic is wrong, probably port addressing. Use a logic probe with a small program to repeatidely input/output to a port.

Good luck

John

From: n8vem...@googlegroups.com [mailto:n8vem...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Cini
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 6:51 AM
To: S100-Post
Subject: Re: [N8VEM-S100:2063] Using Z80 board with older S100 boards

Thanks. I guess my description was more late-night short hand than I had intended. The “test” system consists of the following: SSM serial card, CompuPro RAM17, CompuPro Disk 1 and the S100-Computers Z80 Master card. The floppy drives are YE-Data YD380 (from the IBM-PC/AT) which can be used in place of 8” drives in these systems (with the proper modifications to two signals). These drives work well and are reliable, plus you get something like 800k of storage.

The CPU is running at 4MHz with the 2MHz bus clock enabled. This is the same general configuration as my IMSAI (same speeds) but my IMSAI uses a TDL Z80 card.

The ROM code and all hardware is identical between the systems. The only thing different is the CPU card. I’ve even swapped things around to eliminate the memory board, floppy controller, or floppy drive, as being the problem. That’s how I arrived at something on the Z80 Master card as being the issue.

I just thought about this — I have wait states enabled on the Z80 card. I have to try disabling them. I didn’t have time to do that last night.

Rich

Rich Cini

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From: Crusty OMO <crus...@hotmail.com>
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Date: Wednesday, November 27, 2013 at 1:25 AM
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Subject: RE: [N8VEM-S100:2059] Using Z80 board with older S100 boards

Hi Rich,

I'm not getting a clear picture of what you've done so far, but if I had to through a guess in there, I would say the clock is too fast and your step pulses are shorter than the stepper motor can work with. Can you jumper the Z80 board slower? Will that jumper also affect the clock on the S-100 bus? If in doubt, try swapping your 4Mhz crystal with a 1Mhz crystal (hopefully you will have one with a similar /compatible type/cut).

I'm reasoning out my guess with little clues like the RECAL is working, which probably sends a lot of pulses which might accumulate enough power to move the stepper motor (but perhaps not the full length of the drive, ie track 80 to track 1)

Tis only a guess.

:)J

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 23:06:21 -0500
Subject: [N8VEM-S100:2057] Using Z80 board with older S100 boards
From: rich...@verizon.net
To: n8vem...@googlegroups.com

All —

I’m using the Z80 Master board with a custom EEPROM for a “test” system for my IMSAI — I try a bunch of stuff out on it first before putting it in my IMSAI. It works pretty well for prototyping. Anyway, I’m putting a floppy disk system together to match my IMSAI — a CompuPro Disk 1 and two 5.25” HD drives (which emulate 8” drives) — so that I can do some other testing.

Is there any trick to getting old boards to work properly with the Z80 board? Everything is configured identically between the systems (the same console, memory, disk cards and identical floppy drives). I’ve swapped everything around, including the drives, and proven that the hardware works, so it has to be the Z80 card interacting with the Disk 1. The Z80 is set for 4MHz and all of the jumpers match the pictures. I have 1WS for memory and ROM and 2WS for I/O.

The actual symptom is that the floppy drive isn’t track stepping. Everything else is fine (memory access, console I/O, booting, etc.) and it does respond to certain commands such as RECAL. I checked the cable for signal continuity and it’s fine, too.